When it comes to actually picking up, use your group in your favor. Don’t jail break and go cold approach a group of two, get shut down and then return to the home base of your WM. If you have the prime location the easiest tactic to use is the “squat and scoop” (nah, I’m not talking about an auto insurance fraud scam). Stay at your spot and when one or two girls walk by or come up for a drink open them with a question concerning the whole group. One that I like to use is when I see a couple of girls about to get some drinks is, “Excuse me, my friends and I are trying to figure out what shot/ drink to get for the next round, do you have any good suggestions”. Then no matter what they suggest I tell them it’s weak and they should switch to Jack straight because it puts hair on your chest. As dumb and silly as it sounds it’s worked all summer for me. The point is to get them to stop and talk for as long as possible.
Other girls are watching and if the line I just said made the two girls we’re talking to laugh and talk to us a little more, it adds more intrigue to female onlookers. Keep in mind that most women need to be the center of attention so the challenge of them being entertaining enough to charm and hangout with your group is an ego boost to them. That’s why leaving your group on a solo mission to go talk to a group of girls is almost bass ackwards, got that Maverick.
A very common question is what if there’s a one truly hot chick that stands out among the group wont everyone want her? The answer is yes…. duh. So how do you get her? The answer to that is in a group pick up… you never pick the girl, she picks who she wants. After introductions are made every guy basically takes turns throwing out their best line. The one she likes the most for whatever reason, humor, best swagger, looks, she’ll subtly let it be known that’s the guy she’s interested in. She might ask you guys all what you do then follow up with the guy she’s interested in.
Her: So what do you guys do
VK: Lawyer
Roissy: Campaign advisor
Roosh: Grocery bag boy
Her: Oh really where do you bag groceries at. Oh, Giant in Columbia Heights, Yeah I drove past there before. Do you like being a bagger? How long did you have to go to school for that.
Her body language may also give non verbal clues as to the guy she’s interested in the most. She’s looking at only him, or she moves around one of her friends to hear what he has to say better. She might even start leaning towards the guy she likes more but not realize it. If you’re not picked this is where your WM duties truly start. Either move to the second hottest chick or if you’re left with kick ball chick and you’re not drunk enough or interested, entertain her for as long as it takes for your boys to get numbers. Just because you didn’t get the one you want don’t Jail Break and go talk to another group. The number one job of a wingman is to divide and concur.
A typical WM pick up would be your group squatting and scooping up a group of three chicks. Everyone is introduced to each other and explain how you all know each other for five minutes. Once pairing happens for another five minutes, you suggest you and your girl go to the bar or further down the bar and get some drinks. One of your wingman and his girl walk to a corner or table to sit down and hear each other better. This is the point where everyone goes for their numbers. If things are looking good the girls we’ll pull each other into a girl huddle for a little girl chat, swear a blood oath that they wont judge each other or call Debbie a slut behind her back if one of them wants to leave with one of you. After that they’ll ask each other if they other one is ok, I mean really ok to have unprotected sex with a random dude she just met that night and the girl will slur yes, so it’s all good to go, hugs. I mean that’s what I’ve heard happens…
Even though you didn’t get the hot one doesn’t matter. You guys are playing group odds, remember there was other girls in other groups checking out your group. The next group the hottest chick might be into you. Think of it like Vegas and you’re a team of card counters in for the big score. You’re all betting but sometimes you have to fold on purpose for the team to get up big. You guys are throwing each other signals and smirks to figure out who’s got what. Usually I grab my dick and point to the girl I’m most attracted to, right in front of her. She will find this cute and adorable as part of my charm.
You should run the typical WM pick up cycle 4 to 5 times before you think of Jail Breaking out of your group. Once you’ve worked a room pretty good, you’ll probably be on your way back from the bathroom or getting a drink and bump into a girl from one of the sets you were talking to earlier. Say something charming or funny and pick up where you left off. Maybe some of your WM have started to pair up with girls earlier and you have to go solo dolo, this is fine also. My final point is that you guys must never leave a man behind if the group decides to jump spots, unless the dude is chatting up a girl and it’s 98% sure it’s on, the group should roll together to the second location. Never leave you WM and follow a girl you’ve hit it off with to a second spot with her group. there’s an 90% chance you’ll be left holding your dick at the end of the night as she jumps in a cab with her girls. It’s always better to have a group of girls follow your group to the next spot. That way if there’s better talent you can ditch and trade up or if she stays the whole time you can offer her your junk to sleep on.
I could go on forever one WMship since I feel lucky enough to have been able to roll with the best crew in DC and am in the process of building another group from the ground up I’ve had a lot of time to think on this subject. Expect in the extreme near future to be hearing from a new writer around here.
Any questions? No, class dismissed.
I think I’m in love with the simplicity of this group…. I can’t stop playing this song
So now that you’ve got your WM crew together the next step is to talk about strategy and logistics.
How long does it take for a group of wingmen to get really good at picking up women? Two years minimum. The key to a cohesive group is building a strong bond based on friendship, communication and honesty when it comes to picking up women. If everyone gets a couple of numbers on Friday or Saturday then the next week is spent going out on dates and trying to close before the next weekend when you all meet up again.
As I’ve said repeatedly, the group is only as strong as it’s weakest individual. The most individual growth is done Monday through Thursday when you’re actually on dates trying piling up experiences. Before and after every date you should be in constant communication with one of your WM, laying out strategy, bouncing ideas off of each other or reviewing how it went, two heads and all that mess. Here’s where the honesty part comes in, don’t ever lie to your wingmen and say you got some or hit when you didn’t. Lot’s of guys do this and in the end it’s pointless because if you’re not notching as much as you say you are it will show in your game when the group approaches girls. So no matter how bad the date goes and even if the chick turned out to be a dude and asked you to Snoodle with him/her. There is something to be learned and gained by the whole group from the experience.
Now that we’re done with theory on to the good stuff, application. Once you’ve decided on a location to start be sure to meet up with your WM 45 minutes to an hour before the place starts to pick up. This will give you guys enough time to get a couple of drinks and discuss anything as a whole group before it’s time to get to work. The second importance of getting to a spot a little earlier is to get prime location, posting up against the bar (also gives you a chance to get to know the bartender that will be serving you for the night) or getting seats in a preferable location. When picking your spot be sure to go for high traffic, high visibility areas (no not near or in front of the girls bathroom). Remember to keep an open circle to your group, be engaged in the conversation but always be scanning the room.
As things start to pick up you’ll start to notice girls from different groups peeping you and your WM. Whatever you do don’t leave your squad and go talk to the first cute girl that gives you the eye. This is where 85% of WM groups fail, they haven’t mastered putting off the Jail Break Mentality. Guys might show up together to one spot but as soon as they have a drink it’s every man for himself, what’s the point of having WM? HOLD IT TOGETHER! You might be attractive enough by yourself but what magnifies that to women is watching you interact within an “attractive group”. Don’t ask me to explain it psychologically it just is. It’s the interaction of your group and if it’s diversity but when you’re having a good time it triggers curiosity. Are you guys coworkers, college friends, gay…. to the girls checking out your group it may even appear that you guys aren’t there to pick up any girls… at first.
Tomorrow will be the last post in this series and commenting back on
*Kid Cudi featuring Yezzy and Common, Poker face remix
(Dear sweet Jesus! I don’t want to look but I can’t look away… I mean seriously WTF IS that)
Let’s talk about what I mean when I say a good group of WM. The first and obvious is they should all be cool guys that look like they know how to have a good time and party. That means there can’t be any betas, herbs or nerds in the group. Yes I’m a financial analyst and like spread sheets but I don’t “look” like one. It’s the look of the group as a whole that’s most important here. Second but more importantly they should be as diverse as possible to increase your chances of mingling with the different types of individual women you’ll find in a group out on the town. Also in a city setting they should all be college educated but other than that there should be difference in race, social background, age, and body build.
The most important difference though should come in “type” of guy. This is where the crazier the mix and match the higher rate of success comes in. The Pretty boy metro sexual is hanging out with a meat head gym guy but then there’s also this hipster/musician/ artist type in the circle. The older wiser more distinguish guy is hanging out with the early 20 something grad guy. There’s an exotic good looking built black guy, with a hairy Middle Eastern homeless dude and then there’s a white dude that looks like an Abercrombie and fitch model? You see where I’m heading with this.
Within that same group of guys one can break it down even further into a sub group of different “personality” types. One’s an asshole, one’s the funny guy, one’s the smart ass, another can be the nice guy or the shy guy. This type can also change within the group if called for. The most important thing to remember is that your group should STAND OUT!
Just by the dynamic alone, there should be something about your group of WM that separates you from other guys. There should be a vibe of fun mixed with slight danger about your group. Like it’s the night before a bachelor party and there’s a certain energy about your group. But keep your eyes open though and don’t forget what you came for. If done correctly one or two girls from one group will peep a couple of guys in your group. It’s unlikely that you’ll find a whole group that has every girl within it likes every guy with you. What you’re talking about is catching the interest of a couple of girls from every group in the room. As soon as you open up one group well, the rest will already be watching and basically waiting there turn to be hit on. I’ve seen this happen so many nights out.
I’m not saying ditch your friends and find new ones that are good at picking up women. Technically you can have good friends that you like to hangout with and are cool but you know when you hangout with this dude he might be too socially inept to roll with you and pick up girls. At the same time it’s almost impossible to have good wingmen that aren’t your close friends. So when you do find a couple of guys that make up a good core of your WM, it will take at least two years of nights out on the town constantly to get to the group to the appropriate level ready to pick up.
Next will talk about strategy once you’re at that level.
By the way DMV stand up… especially the V part, this is my Jam of the week…. They’re baaaaaaaacccccckkkkkk
From the beginning you and your wingman or wingmen go out together. You guys have known each other for some time. You’re both the same age, have the same fashion style, the same taste in women, work in similar fields and have the same hobbies. Yet, when you go out in DC, you’re struggling to pick up women. You guys might approach and the conversation starts well but soon the girls are looking around board and looking past you to see who else is around. If this happens more often than the encounter ends with one of you getting a number then someone should take away both your pilot licenses.
Let’s break this down and reevaluate the situation. First let’s look at our targets or prey if you will to figure out exactly what we’re
dealing with.
Start with the fact that most women looking to hook up will most likely go out in pairs or a group ranging in size from 3 to 100. Any group of women can comprise of different social networks that somehow the individual know each other. From school, to current and ex coworkers, to social clubs, friend of friends and the fat chick from kickball. Within this one group made up of different social networks you’ll also have different age ranges from seasoned cougar to first year grad. Different races, backgrounds and even religion. The only thing that can be assumed to be the same about the group is they all have vaginas and they all like shoes… (caution: don’t quote me on the first one).
Knowing this why would you go out with WM who are basically all the same as you? By the rational stated above, you significantly lower your chances of closing because unless the whole group is into you’re type it’s going to be hard to pull one away from the group. The key to pulling groups of women in DC is to have a diverse crew of WM.
If game is like working out then you’re wingmen are your spotters. Do you need spotters to work out? No, but you’ll eventually peak or plato. But if you want to get big you’ll have to go heavy and if you want to go heavy you’re going to need spotters. Anyway, back to the script. Think of your WM as having all your basis covered. With the right mix and match and assuming you guys are all gaming on some level three shit, you’ll should be able to approach any group of girls in this town and assuming most of them are single ONE of you should be able to get a number from that group.
I should back track here and state that your group including you should never be more than four any more than that and cohesion becomes a problem which can lead to the jailbreak mentality on one end or too much testosterone resulting in natural 1upmenship among alpha males on the other end.
Now I know what you’re thinking, “if there’s four of you and only ONE gets a number from a group of girls that’s bullshit for the other guys”. First off at our jump off spot on a Saturday Night there’s anywhere between 15 to 25 different groups of girls and thats just our first location among 3 or 4 spots that night. Second if you have all basis covered, the math is almost infinite on the possible ways a group of guys can get a number. For instance one guy can get two numbers from the group approaching two different female groups and on the third group two other guys could get one number each. Again we’re getting ahead of ourselves.
Tomorrow we’ll look closely at what makes up a good WM crew
* Yeah that’s that new extra Krispy Lupe Fiasco and if you already know I’ve been a fan from the jump. (Look back here)
Yeah, been gone for a minute. See what had happened was in the past three weeks I’ve gained seven pounds trying to get beach ready. That’s right I’m now a huge 178. Of course my body carrying this extra weight has made me somewhat lethargic, it takes some adjustment to get used to. Don’t get it twisted, yeah it’s seven pounds of muscle, which brings me to the point I could never ever be fat. Seriously, how do obese people get through life? Everyday simple tasks must feel like a workout for them. I know for me I’d get home from the gym make plans to cook dinner, watch Sophie Dee on some youjizz and then write a post. I’d cook and eat dinner, then lay down on the couch, open my eyes and it was 3am. This was the routine I fell into. But finally I’ve stepped up and decided to try and do some cardio in the morning to give me some energy and get cut the fuck up. Yeah I’m back, big fucking deal.
So I thought I’d start out by telling you a typical DC Story from this past weekend that shows what we’re working with in this town. The Rookie and I are at our typical beginning spot The House that god built, we’re on the rooftop and it’s packed but somehow we’ve positioned ourselves against the bar where the hottest lesbian bartender on U street is working.
This little light skinned mommy with long hair, a yellow baby doll son dress, flip flops, and J-Lo sunglasses (it’s dark now). She walks towards us, stops and comes up to me and asks, what’s my name. I tell her. She tells me I’m hot and then asks where I’m from. I tell her. I compliment her back and then she puts her arm around my waist, rubbing up against me. She’s just flirting and telling me how good I look. But something doesn’t seem right about the situation, my spider senses are going off. It gets to that point of the conversation where there’s an awkward pause. I noticed she didn’t have a drink in her hand and since my boy and I were the gate keepers with a direct line to hot lesbo bartender I say to her,
Me: You need to get a drink? (Motioning that she can step up to the bar ahead of us)
Diva: I could use one
Me: Confused, so are you going to get one?
Diva: When I’m with my father he buys me drinks, when I’m out with my guy friends or brothers they buy me drinks (looking at me with attitude and expectation)
Me: Well I prefer to get to know a woman first before I just buy her a drink.
Diva: You know what? You’re corny… fuck you, you’re ugly anyway (mumbling other things under her breath as she walks away)
I stood there for quick second and it took me a while to figure out what the hell just happened. A girl in a dress, flip flops and wearing sunglasses at night just called ME corny? It felt like being called short by a midget. But some how I felt ashamed as if I did something wrong. It didn’t help that other girls over heard the end of our conversation. Once it hit me finally what just went down, I let out a laugh. The Rookie and I just joked about it among ourselves, if I was on my game I could have came back with a million comebacks, but I’m in summer chill mode and trying to stay low.
Later I went down stairs to use the bathroom in the restaurant portion and saw her at the bar on the outside of the crowd. Standing by herself looking lonely and with the same look of expectation on her face. Obviously no one approached her. After using the bathroom walked back, her in the same position. Back upstairs we did a small lap around the roof top positioning ourselves by the bottom of the stairs. Two girls walk by and the taller one kind of nudges the shorter girl towards us. The short girl in an almost mouse voice says to me, “excuse me, I just wanted to let you know you’re very attractive”
I told her, “thank you sweetheart ” and actually gave her a hug. It was more a cute moment than the creepy one I’m making it sound like. Nothing else was said, she ran off. After that validating moment, we closed our tabs and hit the DC streets. And that’s just another typical DC Story.
If you didn’t know my boy Roosh turned the big dirty 30 this weekend and spent it in South America butt fucking pygmies or whatever goes on down there. I mean why would anyone leave the comfort of a nice basement and hot DC chicks to go all “Romancing the Stone” and shit. Then I was flipping through my favorite parts of Hagakure and found the following.
“There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the present moment. A man’s whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there will be nothing else to do, and nothing else to pursue. Live being true to the single purpose of the moment.
Everyone lets the present moment slip by, then looks for it as though he though it were somewhere else. No one seems to have noticed this fact. But grasping this firmly, one must pile experience upon experience. And once one has come to this understanding he will be a different person from that point on, though he may not always bear it in mind.
When one understands this settling into single- mindedness well, his affairs will thin out. Loyalty is also contained within this single-mindedness.” Pg 68
“In other words just live your life, You steady chasin’ that paper, Just live your life”
(Roosh, Past, Present, and Future)
Damn you Yamamoto. Then I flipped through some more, interested if I could find a passage that would relate to Roissy like that, I found this (honestly it freaked me the fuck out).
“In the practice of medicine there is a differentiation of treatment according to the Yin and Yang of men and women. There is also a difference in pulse. In the last fifty years, however, men’s pulse has become the same as women’s. Noticing this, in the treatment of eye disease I applied women’s treatment to men and found it suitable. When I observed the application of men’s treatment to men, there was no result. Thus I knew that men’s spirits had weakened and that they had become the same as women and that the end of the world had come. Since I witnessed this with certainty, I kept it a secret.
When looking at the men of today with this in mind, those who could be though to have a woman’s pulse are many indeed, and those who seem like real men few. Because of this, if one were to make a little effort, he would be able to take the upper hand quite easily. That there are few men who are able to cut well in beheadings is further proof that men’s courage has waned. And when one comes to speak of Kaishaku (the second in charge of beheading someone who’s decided to commit Seppuku (Japanese ritual suicide)), it has become an age of men who are prudent and clever at making excuses. Forty or fifty years ago, when such things as matanuki (self piercing) were considered manly, a man wouldn’t show an unscarred thigh to his fellows, so he would pierce it himself.
All of man’s work is a bloody business. That fact, today, is considered foolish, affairs are finished cleverly with words alone, and jobs that require effort are avoided. I would like young men to have some understanding of this” pg 24
I just think it’s crazy that a philosophical manuscript that was written between 1709 and 1716 contains thoughts on how men should live there lives and act like men. The fact that almost 300 years later many of these principles are still being practiced today and even blogged about trips me out. This story is old but it goes on and on until we disappear.
When out on the town trying to pick up some strange, there are two main points that most guys still have problems pulling off. The first is after good conversation, getting a girls phone number. The second is at the end of the night, either last call at the bar or end of a date, getting her back home. Now it would be pointless to learn how to transition in these two areas without knowing female body language and being able to read all the right clues that say she wants you to ask for her number or she wants to go home with you. Of course the beautiful thing about women is that even if they do give you clues pointing to the fact they want both, they can pump fake at the mention of either or you can call and she flakes and never picks up OR you can take her home and all she wants to do is give you a hand job and you could have done that yourself.
Now, if you’ve been following blogs written by my wingmen (1 & 2), you’ve gamed properly and if it’s the first night then it will either end with a number or if she’s down for it, the reverse spider monkey. You never want to “ask” a girl for her number and more importantly if you can go back to her house. If you’ve gamed like you’re supposed to it should be assumed that this is the next logical step in your short relationship. If you state this next step in a form of a question then the girl may internally second guess herself and the idea of going home with you or if she really wants to give you her number.
You’re wrapping up the conversation don’t sheepishly say, “Can I have your number”. The light’s come on never ask, “Can I come home with you”. The true playa style is to say, “I had a good time talking with you, give me your number and we’ll hangout soon” or if you’re not bold enough same couple of words and” let me get your number so we can hangout again”. The most important thing is to imply that you assume she’s going to give you her number and you two will hangout again. Roll out confident and you’ll be all good.
Right before the lights come on and you’ve been making out and feeling up, lean into her ear and whisper, “you ready to get out of here”. I know “technically” it’s a question but again it’s the assumption in that questions that you two are leaving together and going to the same destination. It’s a funny yes or no question in that the question isn’t “do you want to have sex with me” but “do you want to leave here to go have sex with me”. If the answer is yes, the sex is assumed. To seal the deal, make sure to walk out holding hands BEFORE the lights come on. Whatever you do under no circumstance should you ever ask a girl at the end of the night, “what do you want to do now”. Trust me, don’t leave it up to her. If you’re more sure about it happening from the start, she’ll pick up on your vibe and be that more sure about letting it happen. So when she answers yes, she knows you’re not coming back to cuddle.
(Side Note: it’s crazy how fast a girl can (and is allowed to) change her mind from having sex to not having it. If you’re on your way back to her place and say the word kittens, you’ll be shocked to how fast her legs close off. Best course of action, shut the fuck up and make out, don’t talk about ANYTHING because you don’t know her well enough to know what will turn her off. On the other hand short of saying she has full blown AIDS there’s practically nothing a woman can say or do to turn most guys off from sex once the guys mind is made up on having sex with her. Ok maybe if she says she has a penis but really, even that is iffy)
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Right now I'm just your typical 26 year old who dates hot chicks but bangs mudturtles in the between time. I've been known to black out in seedy VIP booths next to coked up Persian women with fake breast implants. One day I'll look back on all this like a yearbook and remember you guys signed my crack.
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